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    This is a great explanation on ohms law & how voltages, resistance, wattage all work together with relation to VV & WW but there are more physics involved.

    Case in point - VXfan experiences a burnt taste with voltages greater than 4v. WHY? 2 reasons - 1) wicking 2) surface area. Wicking being the most important.

    If the wick in the coil(around the coil) doesn't supply enough liquid during a draw at a higher wattage than the user will experience a "burnt taste" aka dry hit.

    It's a fine science to get it just right - ask the RBA/RDA users & they'll tell you the specifics of how they achieved clouds of vapour - they're using high wattages with ultra low resistances & wicking that holds more eliquid around the coil than a standard replaceable atomizer coil.

    More vapour = more wattage plus more juice at the coil (also add difference between VG vs PG). It's all kinda relevant but needs to be understood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anxdiety View Post
    Most of the ohm resistance meters on fasttech have an accuracy of +/0 4%. That means a coil at 0.2 ohms could potentially be as low as 0.12. There are some that claim a 2% accuracy as well. Another factor is to ensure that the batteries being used are charged as that can skew the results as well.
    I'm very skeptical of a $20 fasttech meter being able the measure a resistances that low. $500 professional meters are not that accurate.

    The 0.2 ohms could be 0.12 was the point I was making. Going back to Ohms law that potential error makes the difference between if the current is 18.5 amps or 30.8 amps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto_Mike View Post
    This is a great explanation on ohms law & how voltages, resistance, wattage all work together with relation to VV & WW but there are more physics involved.

    Case in point - VXfan experiences a burnt taste with voltages greater than 4v. WHY? 2 reasons - 1) wicking 2) surface area. Wicking being the most important.
    Spot on assessment, as I've slowly learned my way through various builds I've developed this simplistic idea of the "vape triangle". Wick + heat + surface area another factor depending on what I'm thinking that day. Many factors contributing to each of those; one of the issues I ran into with the Orieco and Origen was gravity which necessitated a larger diameter of coil.

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    ^ This is a fantastic guide that I find is pretty accurate.

    (Please note that I did NOT make the chart)

    But as you can see. The higher resistance offers more selections for your VV/VW to stay in the green zone and fine tune it.. While the lower resistance. offers fewer.. Its not the end-all-be-all. But its a great starting point.
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    I have seen that chart many times and find it completely useless. If I could only vape my 1.2ohm coils at 3v I would just give up vaping. No one I know vapes within the supposedly "just right" range.

    What coil build was the guy who made this chart using? Nichrome wire, kanthal? What wicking material? To just have a chart without the equipment used is useless. Its an old and out dated chart. I can see this chart referencing builds with nichrome wire possibly but not with Kanthal.

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    Thanks Howie, Not being a mathematician...is the "green" in this chart showing the V. or W. setting.

    example: I'm running a Mod on watt settings. Do I set the wattage to the green numbers.....or do I have to do the Volts/square divided by R (ohms) to get my own Watt setting?

    --I know, probably a dumb question but I was long out of school before they started teaching this stuff...and metric, as well.
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    The numbers in the coloured squares are the Watt settings.

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    Basically this chart suggests anybody using a mech will have burnt juice and coils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcameron View Post
    What coil build was the guy who made this chart using? Nichrome wire, kanthal? What wicking material? To just have a chart without the equipment used is useless. Its an old and out dated chart. I can see this chart referencing builds with nichrome wire possibly but not with Kanthal.
    That chart works perfect for about any regular commercial atomizer/clearomizer, 99% of the market.

    There is nothing wrong with this chart. The numbers are from simple math.

    If you are going to be an "expert" winding your own, why are you looking at that chart anyhow? The simple calculations that cart is showing is something you should know like the back of your hand if you are winding your own.

    That chart isn't stopping you from using a 1.2 ohm load at 8 volts, its just telling you that is stupid, and its right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evapers_Rob View Post
    That chart works perfect for about any regular commercial atomizer/clearomizer, 99% of the market.

    There is nothing wrong with this chart. The numbers are from simple math.

    If you are going to be an "expert" winding your own, why are you looking at that chart anyhow? The simple calculations that cart is showing is something you should know like the back of your hand if you are winding your own.

    That chart isn't stopping you from using a 1.2 ohm load at 8 volts, its just telling you that is stupid, and its right.

    Once again Rob you are clearly finding something just to argue with.

    The calculations aren't wrong and never once said they are. Its the "Just right" green zone that is completely wrong. I am not sure if I could even properly heat my 1.2ohm coil at the recommended 3v even if I could find a device that will go lower than 3.4v.

    According to this I shouldn't run a stock Kanger 1.5ohm coil on a eGo battery at 3.7v because I'll burn my juice or coil. Anybody using mechs are running there coil in the red zone.

    Its telling you to stay out of the red zone because its dangerous. Even whe I first started out and running Aspire BDC's I was running their stock coils in the so-called red zone to get a better vape.

    Obviously what V/W you decide to vape on is personal choice. Some like lower some higher. But this green zone "just right", red zone "dangerous" is not accurate these days even with most commercial atomizers.

    As an ohms law reference chart it is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcameron View Post
    The numbers in the coloured squares are the Watt settings.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Basically this chart suggests anybody using a mech will have burnt juice and coils.
    That OP starts like this:

    "Got VV? Got VW? Got Mech?
    So you have a VV or a VW device, and you want to make vaporz?
    With variable devices hitting the market more and more regularly, you'll still see people wanting to sub ohm on them all, and the common question that's being tossed around is this"....

    I understood the VV and VW settings are only on the Mod that has a chip with VV and VW settings on it.
    I understand that Mod not having the VV and VW chip settings on it is called a Mechnical Mod....>>>So which one are we talking about?? ...a Mechenical Mod or a VV VW Mod.

    If, as you say, the Green is in the Watt setting...that means you would set you Mod at 5.00 Watts on a 1.80 ohm coil.

    That does not seem to make sense...according to my taste anyway. I need at least a 7 or 8 W. setting.



    Quote Originally Posted by Evapers_Rob View Post
    That chart works perfect for about any regular commercial atomizer/clearomizer, 99% of the market.

    There is nothing wrong with this chart. The numbers are from simple math.

    If you are going to be an "expert" winding your own, why are you looking at that chart anyhow? The simple calculations that cart is showing is something you should know like the back of your hand if you are winding your own.

    That chart isn't stopping you from using a 1.2 ohm load at 8 volts, its just telling you that is stupid, and its right.
    Sorry Rob....I was trying to understand the difference between a Mod and a Mechanical Mode...two names that seem to get mixed by different posters. My question was does the Green shows Watts

 

 
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