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    I asked in my earlier post, where is the data that Vapers are consuming more nic than when they smoked? I don't claim to have any substantive data, but I consume less than when I smoked, several of my friends use 0 nic now, but still vape. I regarded vaping with 0 nic as akin(small pun here) to kissing one's sister. I have revised that opinion. I know a guy, who was both a smoker, and asmatic. He vapes 0 nic, and has not needed his inhaler in a year. This may be due to many reasons, but there needs to be more research done. I know two 0 nic female vapers, one used to be a smoker, the other took up vaping because they tried it, and liked it. Both claim that they have found that they have had benefits in the area of weight control, as instead of grabbing a snack from the fridge, they have a vape. They seem to prefer desert flavors. Coincidence? Maybe.

    I've never been to a cloud competition. I don't think they occur inside public buildings though. In my city it would be illegal. But if as the OP implies "Cloud Competitions" are the harbinger of Doom for all vapers, because John Q dislikes them, why is John Q spending time at Cloud Competitions?

    Some people will just explode if they have nothing to bitch about. I think the OP would agree with this statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1BadWolf View Post
    ...Both claim that they have found that they have had benefits in the area of weight control, as instead of grabbing a snack from the fridge, they have a vape. They seem to prefer desert flavors. Coincidence? Maybe.
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    As I recall, there was a Youtuber called Steeljan from 4 or 5 years ago who used to talk about this. She had stopped smoking years before but vaped to control food cravings and, as a result, she did some excellent vids in those early days of vaping. Taught me a lot on the subject...

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    Your points are very insightful.

    We are the minority, always have been the minority and always will be the minority. Something that many folks do not understand which results in ineffective tactics to combat challenges to vaping..

    As for the cloud chasers. Unfortunately it only take one bad apple to spoil the whole darn bunch. And there is always going to be that asshole. All ANTZ, health issues, similarity to smoking aside, vaping is going to end up getting banned in some places - just like bubble gum. Yes bubble gum - completely harmless until that one asshole sticks it to something they shouldn't and make a mess.

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    @Switcher...thanks I actually started a video for this and then abandoned it, I did share this on FB

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEY I vape View Post
    @Switcher...thanks I actually started a video for this and then abandoned it, I did share this on FB
    Thank you Sir

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    First and foremost, i am not holding any form of malice to Switcher. Some of the topics he has covered has been entertaining to though provoking in the past. I did however have a evil snicker, as i predicted something like this was going to happen before December 31st 2015 (the Global Vape community has a cycle) and i have to wonder how long before a though provoking discussion is turned into all cloud chasers are evil, destroy them from the global community all over again?
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    I am very happy with vaping. I quit smoking. That was the point for me. This is the first time I am back here in quite a while. It seems to have changed. When I started there was a lot of talk about quitting smoking. It seems to me that sub ohm and cloud chasing and high wattage devices is something other than smoking cessation. I agree with switcher. From the point of view of quitting smoking, maximizing clouds in public is counter productive. Happy vaping everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranky Dragon Vapes View Post
    i have to wonder how long before a though provoking discussion is turned into all cloud chasers are evil, destroy them from the global community all over again?
    Not sure what there is to wonder about. This more or less has always been the opinion of the sane.

    The only person who thinks blowing huge clouds of vape for the point of blowing huge clouds of vape is cool, is the person doing it and only in their own mind. Its about as stupid as back in the day, thinking how awesome it is the bar is full of smoke. Guess smokers just had more sense.

    Its even got to the point of in our VAPE shop we have had to ask people to leave because their only purpose was to blow big clouds to gain attention from others by annoying them.

    I'm more than happy to point of the difference between a vaper who is quitting smoking and or enjoys vaping, and an attention whore blowing clouds.

    If I lit 10 smokes and put them all in my mouth, and puffed like I was running a marathon, I could blow one hell of a cloud of smoke - but yet you'd point out that is completely pointless and stupid. I'm not sure why the "cloud chasers" are oblivious to the obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evapers_Rob View Post
    Not sure what there is to wonder about. This more or less has always been the opinion of the sane.
    True as. But it gets to the point you want to bang your head against a all. I am not going to point any one individual out here, but in North America it seems we go through these phases or cycles if you prefer. If it is not Temp VS no temp, then it is clone vs authentic or lets throw this juice maker under the bus or oh no xyz business is selling to minors etc etc etc. It seems like as soon as one (dare i say) argument looses traction then we (North America as a whole) seem to look at the check list of something to get riled up about and then run with it. Very similar to how i have heard in other places (the internet, in person) where the whole "non smokers and/or ex-smokers of abc years are starting to vape, this is bad --really, really, bad". I guess you can call me a bit bias, but in this case my wife was a ex-smoker for twenty plus years. Two months back she picked up a eLeaf and has been happily using her zero nic and i for one am all for her doing it (as a side note: she is a two month vapor and when we are at home she is blowing bigger clouds then i could, not sure how that worked out but daaayyyum).

    But that in itself brings up a very good point that i want to point out: not all cloud chasers are the evil, vile, Militant types. Some have been known when in a crowded area (outside) to dial it back so their not walking biological fog machines. Just like everything else in this world, it is the few extremely bad ones that we see in the media or social sites.

    Do i think we could/should have handled the militant types better? totally. Instead of people arguing about what company cloned what device (let me stop hear and once again say: the only ones that have a dog in that fight are the manufactures themselves. Sure, i am all for them going to social media and venting, it is their right to do so. But we the customers do not need to make their problems our problems), maybe we should have been more focused on getting the education out there about making a small stratosphere around where a chucker went or even goes. I could be wrong here, but i firmly believe that a lot of these bi-laws (like here in Calgary, no vaping in public) have been created by the ignorant, militant cloud chasers (again i will say there are indeed responsible ones out there). Hindsight is always 20/20 and when we (i mean as a global collective) had a chance to say something when chucking first happened, we more or less remained silent, only speaking when we knew that there was no way to do anything.

    But this raises another question of interest. Since the no vaping in public places has been past, and because the rooming house i am in is deemed public property, does this make me a Militant vapor as i refuse to go up and down the three flights of stairs with a bad knee, just to go outside and toot a little only to come back in and repeat the steps? I know one woman on the C-train (Calgary's above ground sub way) got pissed at me when she got on, then sat down and proceeded to start chucking it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evapers_Rob View Post
    I ts even got to the point of in our VAPE shop we have had to ask people to leave because their only purpose was to blow big clouds to gain attention from others by annoying them.
    I agree fully with here you here as well. Honestly i wish a few brick and mortars here in Calgary did the same. I mean i get it, i love to blow clouds too, so i am not going to act all saintly here, but i enjoy my vaping, and i try my damnedest when i am in public to not blow it at anyone (ie: head down, up, or to the sides when exhaling)

    Quote Originally Posted by Evapers_Rob View Post
    I'm more than happy to point of the difference between a vaper who is quitting smoking and or enjoys vaping, and an attention whore blowing clouds.
    My wife said it best when it comes to this: you have those who enjoy their vape and then you have those that need to turn into a penis measuring contest and want to say they finally had a full twenty inches. (get that out of your head the next time you see someone chucking. I know i can't, and if i suffer then i need to make sure others do to :P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Evapers_Rob View Post
    If I lit 10 smokes and put them all in my mouth, and puffed like I was running a marathon, I could blow one hell of a cloud of smoke - but yet you'd point out that is completely pointless and stupid. I'm not sure why the "cloud chasers" are oblivious to the obvious.
    It refers to my above comment, not to mention the fact that they do not see themselves as the problem, or they get a feeling of superiority. But this feeling is not only limited to cloud chasers. I have seen it in the older vapors (i know more then you whipper snappers), i have seen it in the new vapors (i have been at this a month and i know more then someone who has been at this for ten years), Damn, i have seen it in those that use tanks (as opposed to dripping), temp controllers as apposed to not, hell, i have even seen it in those using stick batteries to those who use mechs (cracks me up every-time it happens, i just smile and walk away without saying a thing).

    What matters through is at the end of the day, we can sit down and enjoy a coffee and a debate, without pointing the finger and saying Jim Bob is wrong or Suzy shorthair is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranky Dragon Vapes View Post
    Some have been known when in a crowded area (outside) to dial it back so their not walking biological fog machines. Just like everything else in this world, it is the few extremely bad ones that we see in the media or social sites.
    What someone does behind closed doors is their issue. And if they were doing something in private we would not know and there would not be a discussion.

    The "cloud chaser" by definition is someone who goes out of their way to be seen by everyone and make an ass of themselves. The "name unknown" mystical creature who is believe to blow huge clouds in the privacy of their own home, and has never been spotted by the public (yes a bigfoot like creature) are two very different creatures...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cranky Dragon Vapes View Post
    Do i think we could/should have handled the militant types better? totally.
    "not cool dude" deflates the ego, is counter productive to their goal of trying to be "the man". Works great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cranky Dragon Vapes View Post
    Instead of people arguing about what company cloned what device [I](let me stop hear and once again say: the only ones that have a dog in that fight are the manufactures themselves.
    Trivial petty infighting no one cares about except the people who are doing it themselves. Difference here is the cloud moron disturbs the general public and that is where the problems start.

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