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    High VG and flavour

    Does the flavour suffer in a High VG or max VG juice?

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    High Vg is mainly for drippers. Does not wick very well for tanks. Not exactly sure what you are asking with so little information.
    We are all cloud chasers. Otherwise we would all be chewing gum or putting on patches.

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    I am using a new subohm tank and I was told by someone I should use high VG for it.....just asking
    if anyone is using high VG with a subohm and how's the flavour....someone mentioned that you have to
    have a small PG % to carry the flavour.....yea...no.....

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    Higher PG juices binds the flavour better. But if you are subohming you need high VG because PG boiling point is so low you can easily burn the juice. Usually juice makers will compensate with stronger flavours when doing higher VG.

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    You don't need VG for a sub-ohm TANK. As already mentioned VG doesn't wick very well, so depending on your tank the VG may not wick, and may burn.

    Don't believe what everyone tells you. Often "the best" or "you need" simply translated to what the person who you are talking to owns.

    You might want to consult with whoever is selling the products you are looking at. Their advice will be based on the fact they don't want you coming back getting mad at them because their recommendations didn't work.

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    I bought 2 Kanger subohm mini Tanks and an Aspire Triton when I was on a road trip to Missouri. The BM'r owner (middle age guy)
    sold 80% of his stuff high VG (something about reactions to PG, nausea, headaches, and blotching of the skin, etc) I met a lot of vapers
    on this road trip, a lot of em were using subohm tanks that I never heard of, and some with mods you could start your car with
    and they were using high VG content. I know I had to cut my nic level down (almost blew the top of my head off )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hashamagoo View Post
    I bought 2 Kanger subohm mini Tanks and an Aspire Triton when I was on a road trip to Missouri.
    In my opinion, there is no special juice required for either of those.

    First lets talk about what makes the base of e-juice. 99% of e-juice is a mixture of PG and VG. If you had 100% PG it would be too thin to vape, it would be watery and not produce much vapor. So VG is added most commonly at about 30% to thicken the e-juice to an optimal amount. On the other hand 100% VG is very thick, doesn't wick and in my opinion it tastes like burnt tires if you vape it straight up. Many of the DIY mods in my opinion of burning the juice to start with so using 100% VG is no different. I don't think they are after a good taste, but rather tying to make a big cloud to replace others.

    For you and finding what is right for you, the standard 30 VG -70 PG will always work, and will work perfectly in any purchased coil. You may choose to fine tune that amount to find a personal preference, that is up to you. Be aware of what happens when you go to far either way (too much PG little vape - too much VG burning taste and possibly burning your coil).

    Quote Originally Posted by Hashamagoo View Post
    The BM'r owner (middle age guy) sold 80% of his stuff high VG (something about reactions to PG, nausea, headaches, and blotching of the skin, etc)
    That's an opinion of someone who has read a bit too much on the internet...

    A very very very small percent of people are sensitive to PG. But they will know this long before vaping, because many products and foods you eat every day have a PG base. Toothpaste and deodorant have a PG base, PG is added to many prepared foods to keep them moist. You can't on one hand say you are sensitive to PG and point the finger at e-juice, while you brush your teeth with it, rub it on your body with deodorant and eat it.

    In most cases this is about reading something online, and making yourself feel special by applying it selectively to yourself Symptoms described by that guy can easy be attributed to overly high power mods which are reaching temperatures above simply vaping, and are burning, melting and chemically changing both the juice and the wicking material - this is not a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hashamagoo View Post
    I met a lot of vapers on this road trip, a lot of em were using subohm tanks that I never heard of, and some with mods you could start your car with
    and they were using high VG content.
    Comes down to whatever floats your boat.

    Don't assume what Bob says is the best is the best, don't fall for a sales pitch on some high VG juice line, don't accept incorrect information that PG is bad (while still having PG in their juice LOL)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hashamagoo View Post
    I know I had to cut my nic level down (almost blew the top of my head off )
    That's an new trend, that notion

    For the longest time higher level nicotine was the standard. 24mg. There was even a movement to higher levels. 36mg and even 50mg. Personally I thought 50mg was insane, when the "other" forum was paid off by a supplier to endorse that level of nicotine, opposing that was part of the reason I got tossed from there.

    Anyhow, the current trend is to go lower. Considering most devices are high strength these days, that does make sense. But I do find it comical when I run into someone who vapes say 7, and learns I am vaping 24 look at me with concern and ask how I'm not dead. LOL. Well that person has been vaping for a month, I've been vaping for 6 years and I am still living to talk about it LOL...

    In my opinion, the sensation of "blowing your head off" these days is more attributed to the volume of vape some devices are making rather than the nicotine itself. If you are inhaling a huge cloud of vape, the vape is replacing the oxygen in the air. Its like breathing in a bag. Rather than excessively high level of nicotine which will give you symptoms of the hiccups and a headrush - like back when you smoked your first cigarette.

    Don't get me wrong, lower nicotine is a good thing. But the balance is the same as it always ever was - you need a level that will take away your cravings so you are successful staying on e-cigs and not going back to cigarettes. That is by far the most important part. Its always been my advice to start high with the nicotine - if it too much you can simply use the device less while still stopping your cravings. If its too low, you risk cravings that may let you go back to cigarettes to cure.

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    I tend to go with juices with low or no VG because I don't like cloud chasing.
    If flavour is an issue, I buy from places that can mix an extra flavour shot.

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    Original question: If mixed properly it shouldn't affect flavour. Shouldn't is key here. Simply increasing VG isn't enough. Flavour %'s have to be adjusted and increased to accommodate or the taste will change at different ratios. A 50/50 recipe shouldn't match a 20/80 or an 80/20.

    Rambling: I've never been a fan of throat hit. It's not a "sensitivity", I just find it uncomfortable and it aint my jam. Shortly after starting vaping I've always gone for higher VG mixes. It's not always clouds or sensitivity but that's the beauty of vaping; it's all about personal preferences and you can adjust almost every aspect of it to suit.
    Last edited by The Stash; 08-15-2015 at 08:00 AM.

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    Thanks boys...a lot of good info......that's why I log in here daily
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evapers_Rob View Post
    In my opinion, there is no special juice required for either of those.

    First lets talk about what makes the base of e-juice. 99% of e-juice is a mixture of PG and VG. If you had 100% PG it would be too thin to vape, it would be watery and not produce much vapor. So VG is added most commonly at about 30% to thicken the e-juice to an optimal amount. On the other hand 100% VG is very thick, doesn't wick and in my opinion it tastes like burnt tires if you vape it straight up. Many of the DIY mods in my opinion of burning the juice to start with so using 100% VG is no different. I don't think they are after a good taste, but rather tying to make a big cloud to replace others.

    For you and finding what is right for you, the standard 30 VG -70 PG will always work, and will work perfectly in any purchased coil. You may choose to fine tune that amount to find a personal preference, that is up to you. Be aware of what happens when you go to far either way (too much PG little vape - too much VG burning taste and possibly burning your coil).



    That's an opinion of someone who has read a bit too much on the internet...

    A very very very small percent of people are sensitive to PG. But they will know this long before vaping, because many products and foods you eat every day have a PG base. Toothpaste and deodorant have a PG base, PG is added to many prepared foods to keep them moist. You can't on one hand say you are sensitive to PG and point the finger at e-juice, while you brush your teeth with it, rub it on your body with deodorant and eat it.

    In most cases this is about reading something online, and making yourself feel special by applying it selectively to yourself Symptoms described by that guy can easy be attributed to overly high power mods which are reaching temperatures above simply vaping, and are burning, melting and chemically changing both the juice and the wicking material - this is not a good thing.



    Comes down to whatever floats your boat.

    Don't assume what Bob says is the best is the best, don't fall for a sales pitch on some high VG juice line, don't accept incorrect information that PG is bad (while still having PG in their juice LOL)



    That's an new trend, that notion

    For the longest time higher level nicotine was the standard. 24mg. There was even a movement to higher levels. 36mg and even 50mg. Personally I thought 50mg was insane, when the "other" forum was paid off by a supplier to endorse that level of nicotine, opposing that was part of the reason I got tossed from there.

    Anyhow, the current trend is to go lower. Considering most devices are high strength these days, that does make sense. But I do find it comical when I run into someone who vapes say 7, and learns I am vaping 24 look at me with concern and ask how I'm not dead. LOL. Well that person has been vaping for a month, I've been vaping for 6 years and I am still living to talk about it LOL...

    In my opinion, the sensation of "blowing your head off" these days is more attributed to the volume of vape some devices are making rather than the nicotine itself. If you are inhaling a huge cloud of vape, the vape is replacing the oxygen in the air. Its like breathing in a bag. Rather than excessively high level of nicotine which will give you symptoms of the hiccups and a headrush - like back when you smoked your first cigarette.

    Don't get me wrong, lower nicotine is a good thing. But the balance is the same as it always ever was - you need a level that will take away your cravings so you are successful staying on e-cigs and not going back to cigarettes. That is by far the most important part. Its always been my advice to start high with the nicotine - if it too much you can simply use the device less while still stopping your cravings. If its too low, you risk cravings that may let you go back to cigarettes to cure.
    Thanks Rob...I started out at 24 but I find that now I like 12 in my nautilus tanks and I Tried some of my Wife's juice at 6 in my subohms
    and that is OK too

 

 
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