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    Having had several surgeries in the past couple of years at the Brantford General Hospital ( BGH ) , I was amazed that BGH had the lowest mortality rate in Canada for the past 2 years. At BGH, if you are a smoker they will offer you the Health Canada approved nicotine patch in order to entice you you quit smoking. Do they know something that this surgeon doesn"t ????

    Well it is true that diabetics have a more difficult time healing from surgery ( my wife's dietetic ) that have nothing to do with nicotine. Your surgeon is just another uninformed idiot that equates smoking and nicotine as the same product.

    My advise , given you situation is to LIE , LIE LIE, just like the surgeon is doing to you.

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    If you can find a way to London, (I don't drive) I have close to 100 ml zero nic juices 6 or7 different flavors that's have been sitting around (I started with zero nic) I will happily give you
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    It does sound a little funny. When someone gets wheeled into an emergency room from a car accident, do they screen out the smoker/diabetics and send them home to wean off smoking first?
    I'd be curious to know the concern with nicotine? The only thing i'm aware of with nicotine is the effect on systolic blood pressure. However this was shown by Dr. Farsalinos to be significantly less with vaping because the nicotine amount per vape is much much lower and his study proved the effect to be a minor pressure increase compared to a conventional smoker.

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    My surgeon does not like to operate on smokers. She said the nicotine interferes with skin grafting to a very great degree. I was proud of myself for quitting and then I learn that nicotine is the culprit!
    Frail and Witless

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    Quote Originally Posted by projectjudi View Post
    Where did Wheelies post go? Thought it was funny
    Gotta get up early if you want the dew worms. LOL
    We are all cloud chasers. Otherwise we would all be chewing gum or putting on patches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NevergoIngbaCk View Post
    Having had several surgeries in the past couple of years at the Brantford General Hospital ( BGH ) , I was amazed that BGH had the lowest mortality rate in Canada for the past 2 years. At BGH, if you are a smoker they will offer you the Health Canada approved nicotine patch in order to entice you you quit smoking. Do they know something that this surgeon doesn"t ????

    Well it is true that diabetics have a more difficult time healing from surgery ( my wife's dietetic ) that have nothing to do with nicotine. Your surgeon is just another uninformed idiot that equates smoking and nicotine as the same product.

    My advise , given you situation is to LIE , LIE LIE, just like the surgeon is doing to you.
    You should know better. Diabetics have a problem with circulation and constricting blood vessels especially in the lower extremeties. Nicotine is also known to constrict blood vessels, this is a known fact, in this case at least she doesn't have the carbon monoxide associated with smoking as well to hinder the healing process. Yes it sucks in Judi's case, but I don't see any doctors here. So before we place a mbr of what some call "our community" in peopardy. I strongly recommend folks do their research before you let your passion for vaping cloud good judgement, and provide what I deem as nothing more than knee jerk reactions against anyone who is against vaping, especially health care professionals.

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    It depends on the surgery--I've had several, and the only problem I had was nearly re-detaching my already detached and reattached retina, because I puked for 2 days post-op- from--wait for it--nicotine withdrawal! I have never, ever been so sick- couldn't lift my head without puking.

    Finally a savvy, smoker nurse put 2 and 2 together after nothing stopped the vomiting, and helped me downstairs to smoke. It helped immediately. I had glaucoma as well, but the worst of the nausea and headache left when I had a cigarette or 2.

    So- maybe the surgeon could take into account if it's open chest or abdominal surgery- that you don't want to dehiscent/eviscerate yourself, and cut you some slack.

    DO NOT SMOKE. DO NOT.

    But- vape as much as you have to.
    “Don’t only practice your art, but force your way into its secrets, for it and knowledge can raise men to the divine.”
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    How has this community become so self righteous, where we place our right to vape above all else? Hear me out...

    What I find hard to swallow is that we as vapers place our right to vape above all else. I am not saying we do not have the right to vape, but in this PC society we live in, placing our rrights above all esle, isn't that a little hypoctritical? We have secured our right to vape and that is a good thing. However should our right to vape be placed above the freedom and liberties we have demanded and won? As stated before it is our individual addictions and no one is responsible for our addictions. No one held a gun to our heads. Vaping was meant as a smoking cessation not a change in lifestyle. A means to rid ourselves of our addiction in a less "painful" way, as we know how painful it is/was in the past.

    Folks have responded here without much forethought, yes it is difficult to see what Judi is going through. In retrospect it is no different than a surgeon telling a hip or knee replacement patient they need to loose 60lbs before they can operate or a plastic surgeon telling a breast cancer survivor they will not reconstruct a woman's breast(s) if she hasn't been smoke free for 6m. I can assure you they do not make these recommendations out of malice or judgemental prejudices, but with the patients best interest at heart.

    To quit smoking is a mindset above anything else, vaping will assist you in getting there, it is the mindset that will keep you there. I have said this many times before. I speak here as an experience individual wrt the topic at hand. I am a type II diabetic and my wife is a breast cancer survivor. As we age our bodies no longer heal as when we were young. Based on Judi's length of time as a smoker, she is no longer a spring chicken (no offense intended), combine that with diabetes and we have a problem that is magnified. Diabetics have to be really cautious with regards to "wounds" I can tell you first hand they do not heal as quickly. Simple scratches take 2-3 times longer to heal. I haven't done the research into the exact causes, but it is nonetheless factual. Our bodies simply do not react well to external trauma, especially with extremities, and most especially with our feet, where a simple ingrown toe nail can result in amputation.

    Now I am not going to sit here and discuss the merits between nicotine and caffeine, they are similar in their overall effects on the body. Any doctor that is worth their salt will tell you that neither one of them is good for you. When we use these stimulants we use them under "justifiable risk", nothing more. It is a choice we make as individuals. Well within our right to do so, if things go South because of our choice, we have no one to blame but ourselves. A surgeon that uses his freedom of choice with the patients interest at heart for a complete post operative recovery free of complications. I ask you, who gives you the right to take that right away while we so vigourously protect our own rights and freedoms? Isn't that a tiny bit hypocritical?

    In this particular case, the patient has 2m to wean herself off nicotine. Some are not that fortunate. Is it going to be easy? No, but a firm commitment from the patient and change of mindset will greatly assist her in her endeavours, rather than the questionable recommendations mentioned here. My doctor was glad I quit smoking. During my last visit she stated I had merely changed one bad habit for another. She is/was right, we don't like to hear it. The truth always hurts, but when calmer heads prevail, the truth notheless.

    Some may be vapers all their lives. Many smokers have successfully given up their addiction. Something to think about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switcher View Post
    So before we place a mbr of what some call "our community" in peopardy. I strongly recommend folks do their research before you let your passion for vaping cloud good judgement, and provide what I deem as nothing more than knee jerk reactions against anyone who is against vaping, especially health care professionals.
    I couldn't agree more. Everyone's health and medical history is different so what maybe good for the goose may not be good for the gander. It's better to follow the advice of health care professionals as they know the extent and details of your health issues.

    Best of luck in your surgeries. God bless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NevergoIngbaCk View Post
    Tell the surgeon to show you studies that nicotine ( not cigarettes ) increases your risk. Typical surgeon with a GOD complex that knows everything. I would tell him to go F**K himself.
    Took the words out of my mouth. My wife's had 6 hip surgeries; semi knocked us down a fifty foot ravine, and we smoked (gross thought) then. Fucking some p...ks just think their gods. imho

    Good luck Judy just do some google research and you'll do OK!!

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