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    Quote Originally Posted by KanadianKat View Post
    Your belief that CVA is completely incapable of getting proper representation, where ECTA was capable - is just wrong.
    Neither are capable of getting proper support. They are both nothing more than organizations.

    The vendors that stand behind the organization with the cash will buy the proper representation. It doesn't matter what the organization is, or if there is an organization at all.

    if there must be an organization, using one with the credibility that it has been around for years, and has done work, and represents 30 vendors beats the hell out of one that was formed yesterday for credibility.

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    So don't contribute.
    How could I contribute if I wanted to?

    no one knows how much and for what. Without that you can't do crap.

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    I'm reprinting the initial announcement below - for those just joining the thread.

    ...and commenting - this is already done. The announcement is after the fact. ECTA's decision to see unity and cooperation between all vendors (who are able)is not open for reversal. Sorry for those who don't agree with this move.

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    ECTA has released the following statement:

    The Canadian Vaping Association (CVA) is now a federally registered, not for profit corporation. While the association is new, it is comprised of many highly experienced, knowledgeable, and driven vendors. Their mandate is focused on the funding and implementation of public relations and government relations campaigns. The directors of ECTA, THRA, and CVA held a joint meeting in an effort to align and unify the industry in the face of the urgent response required to address Bill 45 in Ontario. To this end, a director from ECTA has also joined the CVA board, and open lines of communication between all three organizations have been established.

    In order to avoid duplication of any GR efforts on Bill 45, and with respect to CVA’s specific mandate, it was agreed that they would take on this campaign. Information and efforts compiled thus far on this urgent issue will be shared with CVA. The timeframe for action remains the same, and the open communication between organizations will ensure this, and future campaigns will be as efficient, and effective as possible.

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    What this means.....

    ECTA and THRA were in the process of cooperating in a joint GR campaign to address Bill 45 in Ontario. We are all aware of the intricate time line involved and the need for speed. We had quotes in hand, had spoken at length with several GR specialists and were putting together a financial plan to meet the cost.

    We were also put in contact with vendors who had funds earmarked for this type of work. These same vendors were also in contact with the group who were working on the formation of CVA - whose purpose was/is to drive and fund PR and GR campaigns in Canada proactively and reactively.

    Initially, CVA's intended directors were unsure they would be able to form a non-profit in time to take on Bill 45. With some very concentrated work though, CVA got it done just before Christmas.

    Attempts to duplicate our efforts would not work in the favor of industry, nor of consumers - and could end up sending mixed messages.

    So just prior to the holidays, ECTA, THRA and CVA held a joint meeting and discussion. We resolved to work together on this and pool our resources and efforts and knowledge.

    ECTA's current Chair will sit on the CVA board so that information sharing is fluid and immediate. THRA has also established an open line of communication.

    The efforts on Bill 45 will begin immediately - and we encourage all vendors to participate financially, as each of you are able, to ensure we have a voice at the table - a strong united voice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KanadianKat View Post
    ECTA's decision to see unity and cooperation between all vendors (who are able)is not open for reversal. Sorry for those who don't agree with this move..
    Don't use "all vendors" Kat, and if you are going to do that I challenge you to name them.

    You don't speak for all vendors, the ECTA doesn't speak for all vendors, the CVA doesn't speak to all vendors.

    Its this bullshit empire building through an organization that through delusion leads you to believe you speak for all vendors. To speak for all vendors you actually need their support, so name names to back it up!

    This "our way or the highway" bullshit you are trying to feed us here is weak. CVA is at best an option, not the do or die, only way to do things. Until they are able to prove their worth, they are not worth crap, AND DO NOT HAVE THE SUPPORT OF "all vendors"/

    That was really desperate Kat. Have nothing to get vendors to side with you so make it sound like they all already have...

    You know why there is a division? Because of crap like this. Why bother to prove the worth of your organization, you can just tell everyone its your way or the highway and hope they fall for that shit. Anyone who points that out is a shit disturber.

    You are the second person associated with CVA that in private has told me to shut up. You give vague generic details, and expect me to accept you know what is best and shut up. Sorry, not going to work like that, my business is on the line. You want to represent, great, earn it first! I did keep this private at the start, no need to air dirty laundry. But as the pattern continued its time to go public with it.

    Question, in the CVA everyone has a brother's dog babysitter's niece who knows some MPP, and the ones who are not are all "experts" in this field (you weren not the only one to try and sell me that Kat). So why even go public? Just go and get the job done and we will all thank you later. What I think makes no difference if that is true, so why even bother with the organization and the rebuttals.
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    I for one hoped all 3 orgs would maintain their separate voices.


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    I'm done with this shit.

    If you want to funnel all the support into an unproven organization that cannot even state its plan, have at 'er. Might make you famous for a bit, but it will fail in the end.

    When someone has a real plan they can articulate at very least and needs some backing, they know where to find me.

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    I lied...

    Another crash an burn from a "expert" board member of CVA

    http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...,d.aWw&cad=rja

    When is everyone going to clue in that its about hiring professionals, not pretending you are one!!!!!!!!!

    Find a GR firm, pay them, let them do the work, its that simple, and nothing top secrete to hide!

    'We the board have selected XYZ firm to represent us bases on their proposal. Vendors interested in supporting us will be given the proposal to determine if they wish to support" - that is all any of us are qualified to do, and all that needs to be done, and could've been done WEEKS ago.

    This lets play lawyer/expert for a day, while we host meeting, and tell everyone we know better so we don't have to tell them anything is the bullshit we have been doing for years and failing miserable at.

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    I'm not going to continue this conversation further - and will leave at this.
    @Evapers_Rob
    Please read the announcement as it's written. There is no implied or intended statement that all vendors are represented in the current actions. Any vendor can join, or contribute financially. Any vaper can contribute financially. You obviously will be doing neither. Your choice.

    Also - please read the announcement. CVA is taking on the hiring of a GR firm, incorporating the information on that from ECTA and THRA - with our blessings and the involvement of our Chair in the final decision. That's been announced by CVA and by ECTA and by THRA - and is in process.

    Matt Stanko's email from August while he worked for CAVR has nothing to do with this. He is not a GR firm.


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    Can't just leave it Kat, let me try and sell the CVA for you.

    Who is the CVA? They have some very impressive bio's so lets look at their qualification, both on the website, and what they have on the internet. Linked In is very handy,

    Lets get to know the CVA's board experise;

    Bio - "very successful career in Canadian media, working both behind and in front of the camera' Actual - Co-ordinator at CIBC bank

    Bio - "currently manages a portfolio of large market clients within various lines of business, in benefit outsourcing, as a Workforce Operation Manager for one of the largest multinational human capital/reinsurance consulting firms" Actual - Logistic Manger at Ryder truck rental.

    Bio - "With a hospitality management back ground mixed with a sales past" Acutal Saleman at Wescelan Equipment and Supplies

    Bio - "owner of multinational chemical manufacturer with 30 years of senior executive experience in manufacturing, sales and marketing positions" Actual - Sells hot tubs and hot tub chemicals.

    Bio - "held senior positions within some of the tech world’s biggest and most innovative companies, including Oracle and Salesforce.com." Senior Enterprise Account Executive at CenturyLink Technology Solutions

    Now there is nothing to be ashamed about here. They all have great careers. But no expertise in the area that we need. Clearly made up by some rather creative and selective writing in their bio's.

    Point here. There is no need for the top heavy bullshit of well intentioned people that are not qualified. For the 100th time, its time to hire professionals, not play professional.

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    He is not a GR firm.
    BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    and for the 100th time - the Board of CVA are not carrying out GR on their own, based on their own qualifications. They are a BOARD - they are hiring GR.

    That IS PROFESSIONAL REPRESENTATION. That IS HIRING PROFESSIONALS.

    Seriously - I'm getting tired of your circular arguements. They don't help anyone. You're basically saying that the only thing that will work is hiring a GR firm - and that CVA shouldnt' be allowed to do that, because only ECTA should be allowed to do that.

    Fine. You're opinion is noted. It doesn't change anything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KanadianKat View Post
    and for the 100th time - the Board of CVA are not carrying out GR on their own, based on their own qualifications. They are a BOARD - they are hiring GR.
    How many does it take to screw in a light bulb then!!

    You have 3 quotes, you've had 3 quotes since before Christmas. How hard is it to pick one and run with it? If they can't solve that simple task in almost a month, how the hell are they expected to get anything done!!

    Seems they are too busy trying to write bio's to make themselves sound important.

    So what should be done? Are these guys funding this? Most likely not, they are there to look important, a few organization junkies there.

    So you start with getting funding, which means selling the idea to vendors (maybe a job for someone with a sale background, a real use for their talents rather than pretending to be something they are not).

    How do you sell it to them? You start by passing out the quotes. A simple confidentiality agreement covers any issues there. Based on that package, the vendors needed for the funding can choose which proposal, or all proposals to support and the amount of the commitment. When the commitment required is reached, or when you think you've hit the most you will get, you pull the damn trigger!


    Its that simple. One person could easily oversee this. Board meetings till 1 am getting nothing done, except maybe writing bio's are a waste of time which will kill us in the end.

 

 
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