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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Vaper View Post
    Nice letter PorkchopReg, although I am not quite sure why you felt the need to crap on flea market vendors. Just out of curiosity why do you consider the flea market ecig vendors to be 'illegal'? and seem to lump us in with pirate DVD and counterfeit clothing : /
    Midnight, I've been to your location, and you are not one of the vendors I grouped in with the others. (Sorry if you took offence to it) I had an hour conversation with you, and also at Vapecan. You took the time to allow me to taste flavours, properly cleaned up and all with great customer service.

    I did write in my initial Email that "some of them are giving the vaping community a bad name"

    I have sent another quick email to Dipika asking for an amendment to my Email, and updated to state that in the flea markets there are some really good vendors, but also some not so good ones. If she replies to me, and wishes to visit a vape shop in your area, I will give her you as a contact to visit and be educated by

    The ones I am talking about are the ones where you get no help, its a kid behind the counter, and not educating anybody about e-cigs, just trying to sell $60 starter Kits with Juice that is not considered good (Labeling, Source of origin not N/A)
    I have several friends that have also been to B&M shops to have this type of treatment as well. Its only going to take one bad vendor to make all the others look bad.

    I wish all Flea Market vendors are like yours. (Good Display and Variety for the customer). Similar great Flea Market Vendors are out there (Brampton - Dragon Vapes (747 Flea Market)
    But in that 747 Flea Market alone there are 3-4 other vendors that I would walk right by, but constistanly have 3-4 customers shopping...

    Whenever I come across a new vape shop, I go in asking questions as a basic vaper and questions on the equipment. Within 1 minute, I know if the vendor is going to educate and show me the best option for me, or if he's trying to sell me a simple starter kit with EVOD tanks, and 3 bottles of juice for $120. My point on the 'illegal' part is when I started out, alot of the vendors did not take a customer name for a receipt or gave me a proper receipt. (Again, When I purchased from Dragon Vape, Canvape, I was Emailed a receipt) Not alot of vendors are even giving a receipt.

    Again, I apologize if I offended you in any way, my point was we don't want to push vaping back underground, and to take advantage to better Ontario and in turn the rest of Canada
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    No worries Porkchop, thanks for clarifying. I didn't mean to get my feathers up, I just was a bit surprised and actually was quite interested if there was a reason that market vendors might be looked down on.

    Hey we are on the same team here, fighting for the same goal, the ability to be treated respectfully as vapers and to vape responsibly. So every letter, comment, interaction we can have with these lawmakers is only going to help our chances.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Vaper View Post
    No worries Porkchop, thanks for clarifying. I didn't mean to get my feathers up, I just was a bit surprised and actually was quite interested if there was a reason that market vendors might be looked down on.

    Hey we are on the same team here, fighting for the same goal, the ability to be treated respectfully as vapers and to vape responsibly. So every letter, comment, interaction we can have with these lawmakers is only going to help our chances.

    Cheers
    I was buying a pizza yesterday and the conveince store guy had E-liquids beside all the Hookah, Bongs etc.... I should have taken a picture, nothing on the label was in English except 24 (I assumed 24mg) and a picture of a half naked chinese lady with a strawberry shake in her hand...

    my comment was more to the 'basement' type of e-liquid vendors and if I was to retype it I would have pushed more on the DVD guys that are everywhere and not enforced.
    Ontario needs to regulate, but regulate E-cigarettes properly and I bet many more people will 'switch to the good side'

    I owe you a beer at Vapecan 2015

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    That's the issue that I emailed about. There is nothing in these so-called regulations that address quality issues. They are just restrictions and disincentive bills


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    Certain issues dealing with e-liquids, like labelling and ingredients, tend to fall under federal regulations. Although the provinces can also set their own regulations, many times they only do so when there is already some type of framework or statues under federal law.

    Most food and drug manufacturing are inspected and regulated by agencies of the Government of Canada, but places like restaurants (food) and pharmacies (drugs) are inspected and regulated by the provinces or even municipalities.

    Which level of government is responsible for what is confusing in many industries. But the Feds need to get their act together and start working with the provinces on e-cigs and e-liquids. After watching yesterday's Bill 45 debate, MPP Bill Walker made a great point in questioning why the Ontario government is legislating ecigs before any federal regulations have passed or even before it can be properly studied.

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    Not sure if this is posted on WO already someplace, read and watch, 2nd reading of Ontario Bill 45 Dec. 3rd

    http://www.vapemate.com/ON-Bill-45-2...ding_b_17.html

    Thanks @VapeMate.com

    video is Bill Walker (Bruce--Grey--Owen Sound)
    Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario

    oops @Renegade Vapors I didn't look on page 2 of thread sorry for the double posting...
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    @VaEHp

    Thanks... sorry for our lack of participation over here, we have been engaged in these battles since NS to the HESA hearings and now the Ontario Bill --- We are trying to keep that page as updated as possible. Any info we find, gather and can verify it will be posted shortly after...

    You are welcome!
    John, Char, Anne, Steve

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    @VaEHp

    No problem. We're all trying to do our best and get the word out. Fast and furious style


    @VapeMate.com

    I edited the entire debate down to comments about the ECig Act only. I also filtered out that annoying bass humming noise.

    You are welcome to use my copy and embed it on your site if you wish. I'll also be recording and uploading all future debates or meetings concerning Bill 45.

    Ontario Bill 45 - Part 1 (E-Cigs) - YouTube


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    THANKS @Renegade Vapors! I've updated the blog post with your video.

    I'll be watching for the future videos as well. VERY much appreciated!

    As Char said, we've just not had time to keep up on WackedOut lately and for that we apologize. It's a crazy world right now.

    Keep up the fight and the faith, everyone!

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    Bill 45 is not on the Orders of the Day for Monday, December 8th.


    Keep contacting your MPPs! Ask them to voice your concerns during the ongoing Debate. Especially if your MPP is a Member of the PC Party, they are taking a very responsible position and listening to their Constituents. Give them some ammo!

    Contact MPP as Elected Representative

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