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    This is from the press release...

    • Ban the sale and supply of e-cigarettes to anyone under the age of 19.
    • Prohibit the use of e-cigarettes in certain places where the smoking of tobacco is prohibited.
    • Ban the sale of e-cigarettes in certain places where the sale of tobacco is prohibited.
    • Prohibit the display and promotion of e-cigarettes in places where e-cigarettes or tobacco products are sold, or offered for sale.
    • Ban the sale of flavoured tobacco products, with a delayed implementation date for menthol-flavoured tobacco products.
    • Increase maximum fines for those who sell tobacco to youth, making Ontario's maximum fines the highest in Canada.
    • Strengthen enforcement to allow for testing of substances used in waterpipes (e.g. hookahs, shisha) in indoor public places.

    I have not seen the actual legislation yet, waiting...Legislative Assembly of Ontario | Bills & Lawmaking | Bills from the Current Session

    -Mike

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    I agree it should be regulated to an extent.... no selling to minors, no minors in vape shops..... I think it should work like hooka bars.... where it's allowed indoors if the facility chooses to permit it.... I don't see anything wrong with having B&M vape shops open, where you can vape & sample flavors indoors to our hearts content.

    If I'm at a bar that I haven't been to, I always ASK for permission to vape indoors before I do so, because it's their decision and policies I must respect.

    At work I ASKED for permission to vape at my desk, because it is my employers policies I must respect. If any facility said they don't want me vaping indoors, then I wont, out of respect for other patrons.

    The benefit/loss is way out of wack here... non-vapers get the benefit of not having vape in their face... which can be done without this unilateral legislation forbidding vaping indoors. The loss however is that newb vapors don't have a B&M vape shop to walk them through their first purchase.

    What tank is right for them? What strength nic? What's OHMS law? What's proper battery safety practice? What's the risk of having diacetyl in liquid? How do I build a coil? Why is my tank gurgling?

    Those of us who have been to vape shops know that many of us are active online and DIY/researchers, but there is a significant percentage of vapors that rely on face-to-face education and explanations to make the right decision.

    We have also heard hundreds of stories where people went back to analogs because they had a poor vaping experience. Wrong/ cheap equipment or juices....

    With that said... here was my e-mail to Ms. Damerla ( I CC'd pretty much everyone I could think of including Premier Wynn, PM Harper, and media)

    I agree vaporizers shouldn't be sold to minors.



    I do not agree that we as vaporizer users should be included in a legislation addressing tobacco products.



    I do not agree with your guilty until proven innocent approach. It is an uninformed and hasty approach.



    As associate health minister your interests ought to be enabling us, the citizens to make healthy choices. Bottle-necking the vaporizing community will cause less people to make the switch. There is no repercussions to vaping indoors that can be scientifically proven.



    The government is clearly advancing another agenda, which is protecting your tobacco tax revenue.



    That is not our problem, we are the proof. Vaporizers work, and there's no science to support the position that vaporizers should be unilaterally banned from the public eye.



    It ought to be left up to individual companies to decide if vaping is welcome at their locations or not, for the sake if their other patrons.



    Vape shops allow people to see different devices, and become educated from informed vendors about which product is right for their particular needs.



    Flavors are not targeted at youths, we need a variety of flavors to keep people off analog cigarettes. Like wine everyone has different preferences and tastes. A variety of flavors allows us to stay on personal vaporizing devices, and avoid what is known as flavor fatigue. If we are stuck with one flavor eventually many users are no longer able to taste that flavor, and we become sick of it.



    My family members and friends are happy I quit smoking. I’ve been off analog cigarettes since March of 2014 thanks to personal vaporizers.



    I’ve been able to get over 15 of my friends and family to make the switch as well. Everyone is healthier, happier, able to taste their food, able to run longer, able to play with their kids more, and they smell better!



    I am not sorry that everyone I’ve been able to help quit has resulted in less tobacco tax revenue for you. I am not sorry that they will not be a burden on the public health care. I am not sorry that they have more money in their pocket. I am not sorry that their productivity at work is higher because they aren’t going out for “cigarette breaks”.



    It should further be noted that I haven’t seen a single friend or family member who doesn’t smoke try a vaporizer. They are proud of us for quitting. Non-smokers are curious about how it works, and what flavor I’m using that makes the room smell so good, but they’ve never asked to try it.



    The only part of your legislation that makes sense is making sure these devices and juices are not sold to youths. It should be noted that I’ve never seen anyone that even looks under 19 at a vape-shop.



    It should be noted that every vape shop I’ve asked has confirmed that they refuse to sell to anyone under the age of 19, because it is common sense.



    If we are asked by a facility not to vape at their location, we don’t. We don’t need you to tell us that we’re not allowed to vape inside our own homes, or at a vape shop, or at our work when our employers are perfectly fine with us using our devices.



    Do your research, represent the people, protect our rights, and our health.



    We don't need this legislation, we don't want this legislation.

    Ban selling e-cigs to youth, and leave us alone!

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    if you watch this vid she states no displays of ecigs in stores that sell them and no displays of ecigs in stores that sell tobacco
    Electronic Cigarettes Restrictions Introduced in Ontario: New Regulations Announced - YouTube

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    if you are in ontario, join this fb group https://www.facebook.com/groups/155446061200021/

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    Watch the video. Listen to what she says.

    Ecigs may only be sold in places authorized to sell tobacco. I doubt 7-11 is going about ordering Vapor Sharks, and I doubt stinky wants to get a license to sell products she does not carry.

    Vaping is banned in all places where smoking is banned. This includes vape shops.

    Display and promotion of e-cigs is banned. So walk into your vape shop and picture every display case painted black. Imagine asking the person behind the counter "what's new" and getting the response "stuff" because that's all they can say. And you better hope manufacturers start producing better manuals; cause no vendor can show grandma how to load or charge her EVOD.

    Order your stuff on line like I do? Websites are promotion baby. You better know what juices you like, so you can request them specifically by phone or email. The vendor can't tell you what they have only if what you request is or isn't in stock. Those free samples you get with your order? Promotionary. Buh bye.

    And somebody better check the letter of the law because it looks like they are gonna lump Vaping in with smoking and that means taxes baby. Excise taxes.

    Welcome to 2 bucks a ml.

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    Question is why would you need a tobacco license to sell something that is not tobacco?

    Also, dumb question but do they currently sell actual cigarettes with fruit flavours in them?
    I havent purchased Chewing tobacco since my baseball days years ago, but can you still get Chewing tobacco at the gas station?
    Also would this effectively ban colts/cigarillo style cigars from being purchased? or is this just applied to minors?

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    Getting a tobacco license is pretty easy and does not cost that much at least here in B.C. The display part sucks but dedicated vape shops will still be able to display as long as they only allow people over 19 in from what I understand. Signing a petition is a good idea but will not do much. Better to protest in person.


    Edit: these laws only effect e-cigarettes. change the name and maybe the look and now you can get around the ban. Look what happened to prime time cigars when the federal government tried to ban them.
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    [QUOTE=Manic1!;133296] Better to protest in person.[/QUOTE]

    Maybe we could hire an Indian Band to demonstrate for us! Government will listen to us then! LOL
    We are all cloud chasers. Otherwise we would all be chewing gum or putting on patches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMeathead View Post
    Watch the video. Listen to what she says.

    Ecigs may only be sold in places authorized to sell tobacco. I doubt 7-11 is going about ordering Vapor Sharks, and I doubt stinky wants to get a license to sell products she does not carry.

    Vaping is banned in all places where smoking is banned. This includes vape shops.

    Display and promotion of e-cigs is banned. So walk into your vape shop and picture every display case painted black. Imagine asking the person behind the counter "what's new" and getting the response "stuff" because that's all they can say. And you better hope manufacturers start producing better manuals; cause no vendor can show grandma how to load or charge her EVOD.

    Order your stuff on line like I do? Websites are promotion baby. You better know what juices you like, so you can request them specifically by phone or email. The vendor can't tell you what they have only if what you request is or isn't in stock. Those free samples you get with your order? Promotionary. Buh bye.

    And somebody better check the letter of the law because it looks like they are gonna lump Vaping in with smoking and that means taxes baby. Excise taxes.

    Welcome to 2 bucks a ml.
    I am screaming on Facebook for what it's worth- sign the damn petition- emailbomb the MLAs with your story, what happened for you- anything- just do something- this is important to vaping everywhere. IF it bans the sale of ecigs to where tobacco is sold- there goes the vape shops. THey'll have to have a tobacco license. The fines are HUGE -- if you go read the legislation- enough to kill a bunch of businesses pretty damn quick. This is serious shit people.
    “Don’t only practice your art, but force your way into its secrets, for it and knowledge can raise men to the divine.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by PorkchopReg View Post
    Question is why would you need a tobacco license to sell something that is not tobacco?

    Also, dumb question but do they currently sell actual cigarettes with fruit flavours in them?
    I havent purchased Chewing tobacco since my baseball days years ago, but can you still get Chewing tobacco at the gas station?
    Also would this effectively ban colts/cigarillo style cigars from being purchased? or is this just applied to minors?

    In Nova Scotia (which I WHY I was pushing for everyone to watch what was happening there) they classified ecigs AS TOBACCO.
    Yes, you read that right. HARDWARE is tobacco and anything that goes in it is tobacco.

    THERE IS NO TOBACCO IN ELIQUID.

    HARDWARE IS NOT TOBACCO...

    but Nova Scotia health minister says it is, so it is.

    Great huh?

    They want to ban flavours. Period.

    This is EXACTLY like Nova Scotia and WILL BE exactly like this across every province unless THE VAPERS stand up and fight it!!!

    The ONLY reason NS won (partially won anyway) was because vapers wrote letters, sent emails, signed petitions, tweeted the NS MLA's and legistature REPEATEDLY and showed up at the NS legislature.

    This is about EDUCATING Ontario now. They have no CLUE about ecigs. NOT. A. CLUE.

    Are you prepared to REPEATEDLY tweet, send emails, sign petitions, gather friends to help, attend the legislature when the time comes, write letters? People better be.

    start tweeting: @ottawahealth @HealthCanada @CBCTheNational @canlung @cancersociety @TheHSF

    send vaping testimonials to: ddamerla.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org
    provide links! (visit THRA page, stinky page, ECTA on fb pages! there are files in those pages with links!


    The gov't has been spoonfed biased information from big pharma. We NEED to push them, educate them and MAKE THEM HEAR US.

    NS still has a fight on their hands. They will now fight the 'hardware is tobacco' thing.

    However, they did win as far as being allowed to continue to display IF they are currently a vape store.

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    It goes beyond just "getting a tobacco license". It sets the groundwork to classify a platypus as a duck.

    If vapor products can be legislated as tobacco. Then Vapor products can be TAXED as tobacco. In the case of Ontario in 2012 a little more than 2.1 million smokers contributed more than 1b dollars to provincial coffers. This does not include sales tax or federal tobacco excise taxes. You know that money you saved? That's gone. You know those vendors you like? Imagine 1/2 of them out of business. Smokers won't make a switch if it's illegal, more expensive, and or complicated to do so. Like it or not. It's those folks that have created the boom.

    If Ontario does it just how long before bc follows? I figure they've already started typing. I know my idiots in alberta are making noise about it.

    You better start squawking by all means available. Letters, petitions, whatever.

    Taking this with a "not me" approach will not end well.

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