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    Quote Originally Posted by larktdl View Post
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    "gaining the knowledge that we could preserve our vaping rights should the market dry up. No more, no less."

    Yes that is very true, heck I can even build a mod if need be. However that atty tank system may prove to be somewhat difficult and problematic.
    True Tom, but we need to remember the time line, we dripped back then, something we can still do today Wrt the Penelope, I have 3 spare ceramics for each the Oddy and Penny. Ceramics aren't really needed, they can be replaced with Delrin or Teflon, provided you keep the coil away from the insulator.

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    When I first started vaping the bottom coil clearomizer started making an appearance. My first vape was an Aspire BCC with iTaste vv 4.0 and an 800mah Ego battery as backup. Running 1.8ohm coils, 10W and 50/50 12mg juice. After my very first vape I never smoked a cigarette again. I was close to 1 PAD a day smoker.

    One of the things I believed when I smoked, and found out true later which I'll get to, is that I was more addicted to the act of smoking than to the chemical addiction. This I believe was one of the reason that it was so easy for me to replace vaping with smoking. We all know that nicotine is not the most addictive chemical in cigarettes, although they like to tell you that. It truly is amazing how the general public believe nicotine is the real reason cigarettes are bad for you. They easily dismiss the other 4000 chemicals and 70 carcinogens, and some that are more addictive than nicotine. And this is the reason why even when you start vaping with nicotine you still get withdrawal symptoms and some people find it hard to make the switch.

    For me it was easy. But within a month I realized two things. First, where at the beginning I liked having the throat hit because it mimicked smoking, I began to like it less and less. The second was that, because I believed I was addicted to the act and not the nicotine, that I could go lower on my nic. So I upped my VG in my juice to reduce throat hit and lowered my nic to 6mg. After this change there was no change in my vaping habits, meaning I didn't vape more or less than I was.

    Also within that month I got very tired of leaking clearomizers and bad stock coils. The Aspire BCC coils were hit and miss sometimes and it was common to get bad coils straight out of the box. I then moved to the Kanger Aerotank which was much improved in tank and coil design. After my first pack of coils I decided to rebuild the Kanger stock atomizers, I always liked fiddling with stuff. Quickly found out how superior my rebuilt coils where over stock and never went back to buying stock coils. I estimated, when I worked out my vaping costs, that I only pay $0.20 a month on coils so that was a huge bonus as well

    At this point for me personally I wanted very little throat hit if any and great flavour. If I was going to vape I might as well get the best flavour I can.

    I did my homework (battery, ohms law, etc) and moved very quickly to rebuildables and mech mods. My first RTA being the Kayfun v2 and loved it. I tried dripping but found out it sucked big time for me. I didn't like the fact that it would leak on its side and that you had to carry a bottle of liquid with you. Just wasn't for me. Same with the gennies.

    For the first year and a half I must admit I had the shinyitis. I was always looking for the next best thing, tanks, mechs mods and regulated mods. I have tried drippers, gennies, spheroids and RTA's. But slowly that declined over time. My preference in vape went away from aesthetics and mech mods and all I wanted was a nice compact battery and a good RTA that will give me good flavour.

    I have also tried sub-ohming, more as a curiosity than I thought it was something I needed to do. I had a little fun blowing the huge clouds, because lets admit it being a human fog machine can be entertaining. So after one day of that experiment I new for me it was not what I wanted or needed. I don't like lung inhales, didn't enjoy the vape and had no need for the clouds.

    Which brings me today. I am down to 3mg and prefer 65-80% VG liquids. I have settled with one type of RTA, UTA2, use 3 iStciks and have a VTC mini coming. My coils are all 1.4ohm running between 14-16W depending on the juice. Depending where I am vaping I might turn the wattage down more so as not to annoy people with too much vaper, trying to be respectful and not give a bad perception.

    I also find myself not vaping as much as I used to. I can go for extended periods of time between vapes without thinking about it. I still have the occasional chain vape session sometimes when I am sitting at home watching a movie. But over all my vaping has seen a bit of a decline.

    I think I could stop all together but I do enjoy vaping. When I smoked the best smokes where with a cup of coffee and after a meal. That still holds true with vaping for me.


    Ok WOW, I have no idea why I wrote this all up, not even sure it follows the thread. I think I was trying to compete with @Switcher on how long a post I can make. Just figured I give how I saw vaping when I first started and how I changed my vaping over time.

    To at least say something on topic. Back when I went to my first vape shop, and they weren't many around back then, I was asked questions about my smoking habits, how much I smoke and what type of cigarettes. They would then make suggestion for me. Also they would explain all the components and how they worked. Now when I am in a shop and here them talking to a new customer they don't even ask these questions anymore. They just point them to the latest sub-ohm tank and 50-200W mod. I personally believe that they should start all new vapers with a simple tank and Ego battery. If the vaper at some later time wants to try other tank style, rebuilding, sub-ohming, etc that is something they should decide for themselves after time with the Ego and standard coil. Most vapers will be happy with it. To be honest I think selling sub-ohm kits is a great way for these shops to sell more eliquid.

    Lastly another comment on perception. A while ago I went to my local vape shop and as I approached I could see the huge, thick fog through the front windows. And it was really thick. I figure it must be a full house. When I went in there was only 3 people there, sub-ohming and constantly blowing massive clouds and this was not a tiny shop. And one of them was the guy behind the counter. All I could think of was some smoker going to a vape shop for the first time and all he sees is this massive cloud of vapor in the shop. I bet that would turn away many people.

    Sorry for the long and probably boring post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcameron View Post
    ... I personally believe that they should start all new vapers with a simple tank and Ego battery. If the vaper at some later time wants to try other tank style, rebuilding, sub-ohming, etc that is something they should decide for themselves after time with the Ego and standard coil. Most vapers will be happy with it. To be honest I think selling sub-ohm kits is a great way for these shops to sell more eliquid....
    I completely agree with you. That's how I started, cheap Ego & clearomizer, then educated myself and moved on to better. Starting to vape with sub-ohm & >50W mods is like trying to learn to drive by using a stock car; it just too much power for newbies to handle. I also believe mech mods should not be for sale to the general public; too dangerous in the hands of amateurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcameron View Post
    *SNIP
    Ok WOW, I have no idea why I wrote this all up, not even sure it follows the thread. I think I was trying to compete with @Switcher on how long a post I can make. Just figured I give how I saw vaping when I first started and how I changed my vaping over time.

    To at least say something on topic. Back when I went to my first vape shop, and they weren't many around back then, I was asked questions about my smoking habits, how much I smoke and what type of cigarettes. They would then make suggestion for me. Also they would explain all the components and how they worked. Now when I am in a shop and here them talking to a new customer they don't even ask these questions anymore. They just point them to the latest sub-ohm tank and 50-200W mod. I personally believe that they should start all new vapers with a simple tank and Ego battery. If the vaper at some later time wants to try other tank style, rebuilding, sub-ohming, etc that is something they should decide for themselves after time with the Ego and standard coil. Most vapers will be happy with it. To be honest I think selling sub-ohm kits is a great way for these shops to sell more eliquid.

    Lastly another comment on perception. A while ago I went to my local vape shop and as I approached I could see the huge, thick fog through the front windows. And it was really thick. I figure it must be a full house. When I went in there was only 3 people there, sub-ohming and constantly blowing massive clouds and this was not a tiny shop. And one of them was the guy behind the counter. All I could think of was some smoker going to a vape shop for the first time and all he sees is this massive cloud of vapor in the shop. I bet that would turn away many people.

    Sorry for the long and probably boring post.
    Because it is your journey and you nailed it on the head wrt, what kind of info folks are getting these days. I had to go through the then in order to try and comprehend the now. Even back then there were folks that wanted to learn and others simply wanted to be spoon fed. This has become a major problem. If we knew where the problem started maybe we can fix it. We will never fix stupid but we can try.

    I had a saying "Stop chasing rainbows" The next great vape is not around the corner, it's in your mind

    Short post this time LOL

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    Okay that is it, we need to time warp back to circa 2009/2010. That should give all vapers a reality check
    Maybe ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by larktdl View Post
    Okay that is it, we need to time warp back to circa 2009/2010. That should give all vapers a reality check
    Maybe ...
    Nah Tom.

    Short strokes the industry growth is/was as exponential as the growth of the Internet if you think of it. Remember the kiosk vendors or the stories thereof, where folks had limited knowledge (their product only). Without the Net and forums many of us would still be in the dark.

    I know you were around on the Cdn-sub of ECF. The vendors name escapes me. In the day he used to sell Bauway and as a vendor he used to ask the forum wrt troubleshooting this or that. The latter shouldn't be the case but it was nonetheless. To many, e-cigs was the 2nd coming of the gold rush and everyone jumped on the band wagon. As previously discussed this was evident during our meeting with the Health Dept, 2-3 months in vapers becoming vendors, without the necessary background to do so IMHO. One particular vendor was selling e-cigs out of a head shop, and thought it was perfectly OK.

    With this onsloth and the lack of participation (in general) on forums, the information is not as far reaching as it once was. IOW it is compartmentalised.

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    I don't know where exactly to put this, so here's as good a place as any. Waves to Switcher, Larktdl, BCameron and anyone I've missed. Helloooo!

    My backstory is pretty normal--38 year PAD smoker, tried everything to quit, never could. Could not go 12 hours without a smoke and not kill someone. And as a nurse, you don't want that to happen.

    2 years ago, Mom died of COPD. A month after her death--I bought a double Vision spinner kit, told myself it would work, really believed myself (and all of you out here!) and have never smoked another cigarette. I had drags for the first 2 weeks, but never a full cigarette again.

    I have never wanted to draw attention to myself-- as an ashamed career smoker, I hid. I didn't want to learn to make coils, I moved to protanks, aerotanks, and when the first iStick came out I bought it. And about 25 more because I was no longer an ashamed smoker--I was a quitter who vapes. And proud of that. Plus I'm a sucker for colours.

    Then the eGo One came out, and then in colours--oh, yay-- and I was home free. I have never, ever vaped anything over 15 watts, my highest rated iStick is the TC 40 watt which I have locked at 10.5 watts, and only use with a GS-air and a 1.2-1.5 ohm coil. No titanium or Nickel--I like neither. I play with DIY juice but it's not my thing, neither is making coils.
    I will not subohm because I also have COPD (after quitting smoking too, boo hiss!) and lung hits don't seem right to me, even in my younger not-strictly-cigarette-smoking-days (shhhh!) back when dinosaurs reigned. I can taste burnt coils or juice really easily, so higher wattage or lower ohms, warmer vape doesn't work for me--it just tastes gross.

    I vape to not smoke. I will never smoke again--without question--- if you took away all my gear--I still would never smoke again. I do plan to eventually quit vaping- in a year or so- or maybe less depending. I use pretty much the same juice--in fact I use exactly the same mixture of juices that I did the very first day I started vaping. If my favorite juice maker ever quits making my favorites--I'll be done when my juice is gone. Recently I sent about 3 litres of useless juice to it's grave that had expired--I tried once, hated it--filed it in case of apocalypse, and threw out when I knew no way was it ever going to get used.

    I watched in horror--the kid beside our house start vaping--he has never smoked in his life. I grossed out a friend of my husband, who came to my house trying to find parts for his kid's ecigarette--in front of said kid. It went like this-- "You goddamn cloud chasing KIDS (Foot stomp for emphasis) have RUINED it for those of us who NEED this to stay away from smoking"! add profanity, I did. Didn't want to hear him gab--wasn't going to help him, and didn't.

    This has happened in just 2 years. 2 years--from Vision Spinners--I've watched as vaping has climbed to insane heights--my first MPV--was what 11 watts at the max? iSticks were 20 watts. Now people are blowing past 200 watts, sucking in huge amounts of juice directly into their lungs and wondering why they are feeling shitty? Well stupid--30 mls a DAY? or more? I'm lucky to get through 30 mls a WEEK!

    Things are even easier now because I have a couple iStick Basics--point and click--nothing to frig with--they are great for those like me who don't want to fiddle--I get about 10 days out of a coil. Considering I spent 16.50 per day on cigarettes- 17.00 a week on juice and a 3 dollar coil-- things are great. Except vaping has to go back to being a sneaky secret but you can't stuff that Genie back in the bottle.

    I'm no longer a "proud vaper", though I wear my vapes and use them, I hold my breath and blow down my shirt or cape. I do this to survive. I helped fight the good fight in NS, spoke at Province House during the amending of the bill (45? 60? I forget as I got into Ontario's fight, too so maybe both), and watched stupidity and ego maniacs just create disharmony and more anger toward us. Not cool.

    But hey--we are all still alive, and hopefully we'll stay on the green side of the grass, not the dirt side.
    “Don’t only practice your art, but force your way into its secrets, for it and knowledge can raise men to the divine.”
    ― Ludwig van Beethoven


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