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    Quote Originally Posted by amoca View Post
    Oh, I did. I got a snarky reply from MY MLA, so I replied to all again. I'm pissed and just getting started. And I believe this is a canned statement that others also got from Pam Eyeking.
    >>Thank you for your email. I understand that as a former cigarette smoker (congratulations on quitting, I know that is a difficult journey) you have some concerns regarding the proposed amendments to the Tobacco Legislation that were introduced by the Minister of Health. The health of Nova Scotians is a top priority for the government. I would invite you to have a look at the following links -

    Tobacco Control | novascotia.ca
    Here you can view the specific amendments, and follow the bill as it goes through procedure in the House, including debate.

    http://novascotia.ca/dhw/healthy-com...ova-Scotia.pdf
    This is the document that outlines the provincial strategy around creating a tobacco-free Nova Scotia.

    I hope this has provided you with further information, I will pass your concerns on to Pam. Please let me know if I can assist you further. Thanks.

    Jennifer

    Jennifer MacDonald
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    My MLA was quick to point out that as a Liberal majority government, there was nothing she (as a Tory) could do.
    She could speak for e cigs being smoke free and perhaps they need more information before passing this



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    Quote Originally Posted by amoca View Post
    My MLA was quick to point out that as a Liberal majority government, there was nothing she (as a Tory) could do.
    Answers like that are part of the reason why there is so much f@#$ing apathy toward politics and politicians. Ask if you can quote her on that the next time there is a bi election and a Tory comes knocking on your door looking for support? Or maybe during the next provincial general election if the latest polls indicate the Liberals are headed for another majority government? That's an absolute cop out. Shameful and an insult to people's intelligence. I follow local politics and have seen everything from filibusters to petitions brought forward by opposition members on behalf of the people THEY WERE ELECTED TO REPRESENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BXfan View Post
    Answers like that are part of the reason why there is so much f@#$ing apathy toward politics and politicians. Ask if you can quote her on that the next time there is a bi election and a Tory comes knocking on your door looking for support? Or maybe during the next provincial general election if the latest polls indicate the Liberals are headed for another majority government? That's an absolute cop out. Shameful and an insult to people's intelligence. I follow local politics and have seen everything from filibusters to petitions brought forward by opposition members on behalf of the people THEY WERE ELECTED TO REPRESENT.
    I was not terribly nice- I guess I can just copy here what I wrote, but basically it's what all of you already know. Who I am, why I switched, how GRATEFUL I am to vaping and vapers- how ashamed I am in our elected officials. How they will never see my vote again. How disgusted I am with Randy DeLory for continuing to allow Northern Pulp to poison us, but they won't let us take charge of our health and welfare by vaping- switching, quitting- all the right and wrong words. I didn't swear...
    It sucks because I had to become a Liberal as Green would never fly here in my county- Eliz May tried-- and we already kicked out the provincial Dexter (NDP) government. That I'll see them in the House (that's the right word, right? I think House as federal...) see- I'm WAY in over my head!
    My head is going to explode, and I considered a smoke, lol.
    I do have about 15 different batteries all up and running and am using them like crazy- can't wait for my next iStick...
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    Bobbily: "Zen isn't relevant. First it was a judicial review, and second it pertains to the importation of cartridges containing nicotine and the decision of the CBSA to disallow importation on those grounds. The hardware itself was not challenged, and would have been allowed had it not contained nicotine. Which speaks to my point it is impossible to regulate the hardware in the absence of anything that could be considered a drug. "


    The fact that the decision in the Zen case was by way of a judicial review is irrelevant - the case is not irrelevant. The case was an appeal from an order of Health Canada, based their interpretation of of federal regulations under their governing Federal Act. The order was appealed to a Federal Judge sitting alone of the Federal Court, the only court entitled to hear such an appeal. The decision could have been further appealed to a higher Federal Tribunal of the Federal Court, but such further appeal was not made. Until such an appeal of the Zen case or a similar case is made, the case stands as the law on this issue.

    The Zen case dealt with "e-cigarettes", no distinction was made between its components. Your "argument" should certainly be made in respect to any such future order on appeal. In the meantime, the Zen case is the law with respect to "e-cigarettes". I suggest that the decision could be superseded by a subsequent decision on a new case in which your argument, numerous other arguments to distinguish the Zen case, and arguments refuting the legal basis for the decision may be put forward, but those arguments will have to made in the Federal Court hearing an appeal of a order of Health Canada" concerning "e-cigarettes". The procedure to dispute an order by Health Canada must be done by way of a judicial review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amoca View Post
    Oh, I did. I got a snarky reply from MY MLA, so I replied to all again. I'm pissed and just getting started. And I believe this is a canned statement that others also got from Pam Eyeking.
    >>Thank you for your email. I understand that as a former cigarette smoker (congratulations on quitting, I know that is a difficult journey) you have some concerns regarding the proposed amendments to the Tobacco Legislation that were introduced by the Minister of Health. The health of Nova Scotians is a top priority for the government. I would invite you to have a look at the following links -

    Tobacco Control | novascotia.ca
    Here you can view the specific amendments, and follow the bill as it goes through procedure in the House, including debate.

    http://novascotia.ca/dhw/healthy-com...ova-Scotia.pdf
    This is the document that outlines the provincial strategy around creating a tobacco-free Nova Scotia.

    I hope this has provided you with further information, I will pass your concerns on to Pam. Please let me know if I can assist you further. Thanks.

    Jennifer

    Jennifer MacDonald
    Constituency Assistant
    Office of Pam Eyking, MLA
    Victoria-The Lakes
    Tel: (902)736-7263 <<

    My MLA was quick to point out that as a Liberal majority government, there was nothing she (as a Tory) could do.
    What's she getting payed for if there's nothing she can do? If she has no power she should be layed off as she is serving no real purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocksteady View Post
    What's she getting payed for if there's nothing she can do? If she has no power she should be layed off as she is serving no real purpose.
    I got several of these type replies- from the NDP--well, they were defeated and there's a Lib. majority...nothing to be done. Not one person has supported ecigs of the 6 or 7 replies I got. None. Pretty damn depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puff View Post
    All this just makes me sick I think about them sitting there in a political circle jerk, deciding the fates of people and removing thier right to have free will and the right to make desicions to help them live better lives and all they can do is pat each others ego and stroke thier sense of self importance. Utterly and completely disgusting. I'm ashamed of them.
    Welcome to politics in Nova Scotia @Puff this is an everyday occurence here, just like defrauding the taxpayers as many of the previous lot of scumbags have been convicted of in recent months and they just get a slap on the wrist, the "Good ole boys network" is alive and well here in NS, they don't give a shit about what taxpayers want, we're all sheep to be fleeced, as often as they can

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    Quote Originally Posted by amoca View Post
    I was not terribly nice- I guess I can just copy here what I wrote, but basically it's what all of you already know. Who I am, why I switched, how GRATEFUL I am to vaping and vapers- how ashamed I am in our elected officials. How they will never see my vote again. How disgusted I am with Randy DeLory for continuing to allow Northern Pulp to poison us, but they won't let us take charge of our health and welfare by vaping- switching, quitting- all the right and wrong words. I didn't swear...
    It sucks because I had to become a Liberal as Green would never fly here in my county- Eliz May tried-- and we already kicked out the provincial Dexter (NDP) government. That I'll see them in the House (that's the right word, right? I think House as federal...) see- I'm WAY in over my head!
    My head is going to explode, and I considered a smoke, lol.
    I do have about 15 different batteries all up and running and am using them like crazy- can't wait for my next iStick...
    Hang in there @amoca this fight is far from over, regardless of their stupid legislation we will find a way around it. I didn't quit smoking for this shit to happen unchallenged and I don't think I'm alone in this, we voted these idiots in and they can be voted out too. The Federal Liberals want to legalize pot and these NS twits want to ban e-cigs? This is a media extravaganza just waiting to happen!

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    Sadly, and as @Switcher has mentioned too many times for me to count, the numbers here in Nova Scotia just don't matter enough. As studies have shown, 13-20% of the population are smokers, in NS we number 1 million, so 130-200k are smokers, vaping probably represents 10-15% of smokers now at best so say 15-30,000, maybe 10% of us are going to be militant and fight their proposed legislation publicly so 1500-3000 and even that's being very generous. There are seats in the Provincial Legislature where the MLA has won by significantly larger numbers of votes than that, so don't go thinking we're going to win against the ANTZ here as they just don't care. Where it will happen is when foolish legislation like this reaches the larger population centers such as Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver and the numbers start to matter, 50,000, 100,000 and there are dozens of B&M's going against them if they all band together, those are numbers that will scare politicians and perhaps, and I do say perhaps, there is some hope for all of us, until then we're done like dinner in NS, it's too late, we've already lost and many of us will be forced to disobey their laws in order to protect our health...

 

 
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