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    *** WARNING *** Fake AW Batteries

    In the last couple of days I have been on a few sites (wholesale) that offered AW batteries below wholesale costs. Attached is a correspondence with the man himself Wan Hoi, known to us as Andrew Wan. Fellow vapers need to realize that quality is expensive. AW batteries are expensive due to the rigorous QA & QT that goes into the production of each cell, not dissimilar to the QA & QT demanded by vapers wrt liquids. This QA & QT demanded by the industry (not ours) since AW batteries originated from the flashlight industry, amongst others. E-cigarettes only represent a fraction of the total AW market.

    Why is this important? With all the sub-ohm vapers out there, it is of paramount importance that you use a cell that can withstand the abuse of sub-ohm vaping and on one that you can count on to vape reasonably safe, because the practice of sub-ohm vaping is only marginally safe.

    Our discussion...

    <<Hi Rick,

    Please note counterfeit AW batteries with hologram label have been found circulating in the market now. Details
    shown in the attached pictures.
    Best Regards,
    Andrew Wan
    Owner / Founder of AW Batteries ( Est.2005 )>>


    Andrew,

    Thanks for the heads up good buddy. I was wondering about that especially since Heaven Gifts has the 18650 for sale on their site and I doubt that you are supplying them.

    Rick


    <<Rick,

    They are fakes. I have not supplied anything to them.

    I am the owner/Founder of AW Batteries. I have no distribution channel in mainland China - meaning
    I don't supply to any business or individuals in China. Wholesale orders are shipped from my
    office location in Hong Kong.


    Regards,
    Andrew>>


    https://picasaweb.google.com/1007667...LWRwODCsYqEkwE

    Sorry for the link folks, WO says my individual files are too large to post as jpg, they are not but hey.
    Last edited by Switcher; 05-21-2014 at 04:32 AM. Reason: fixed the link

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    Thank you sir for the heads up! Appreciate it.

    It's not the voices in my head getting to me...it's the ones in YOURS!!!

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    They are all fake.

    AW batteries come off whatever assembly line like the rest of them, "Andrew Wang" sticks a cheesy sticker on them, makes exceptional claims, and the internet rumor mill does the rest.

    Give you head a shake, you think some Andrew Wang guy has his own production and development facility - on top of that, that it magically exceeds batteries produced for and by the big names real companies like say Sony? He doesn't even have a website for goodness sakes! His product is a red battery with a sticker any 2 bit print shop could make. This is somehow supposed to be credible, on in any way create a brand you can depend on?

    Show me your factory dude... Oh you can't and if you did it would be in China (shooting down all your "no channels in China crap" ) and you would be simply a customer....

    Can you say "clone me" any louder? Probably was his business strategy. He didn't have anywhere near the resources to supply globally, so you create a product that is easy to clone which saves you the expense of having to stock 10 million batteries before you know they sell. Become an internet legend to get your name out there, the batteries start selling, yours and others, and you can now move as many batteries as one person can do. However once your sales slow, and you have created enough capital that you can supply a larger part of the market, you can make claims that the rest are clones and you are a real deal. This allows you credit for the entire market, that more than likely the clone market helped to create for you.. That's my theory.

    So Santa Clause has an imposter. Problem is not the imposter, its that you let the story get that far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switcher View Post
    AW batteries are expensive due to the rigorous QA & QT that goes into the production of each cell, not dissimilar to the QA & QT demanded by vapers wrt liquids. This QA & QT demanded by the industry (not ours) since AW batteries originated from the flashlight industry, amongst others. E-cigarettes only represent a fraction of the total AW market.

    Why is this important? With all the sub-ohm vapers out there, it is of paramount importance that you use a cell that can withstand the abuse of sub-ohm vaping and on one that you can count on to vape reasonably safe, because the practice of sub-ohm vaping is only marginally safe.
    And that there is why you are a fool. You understand what need to be done in theory, but you will eat up and smile with whatever load of steaming crap they feed you.

    That is why you worked taking directions from Engineers, you didn't have the capability to understand on the higher level. Being unsupervised and unleashed on the internet doesn't change that fact.

    Edit: Even better, your website shows picture of batteries, per the link to the "legitimate" ones that would make them clones! Of course you will swear on a stack that they are not - but how is anyone to know. This puts "Mickey" in the Mouse - but yet anyone with a brain is supposed to believe the magical properties, and superior build of these batteries! Welcome to the Gong Show.
    Last edited by Evapers_Rob; 05-21-2014 at 01:27 PM.

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    Not disputing what you say, but when making claims such as yours, in the manner you did, post source or GTFO.

    And if you type "I call it like I see it" one more time, I'll vomit with rage, and sympathy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudferret View Post
    Not disputing what you say, but when making claims such as yours, in the manner you did, post source or GTFO.
    How do you suggest I prove what isn't there? I could tell you I am Steven Harper, and therefor I must be unless you can prove that I am not? It works the other way around, and there is NOTHING outside of internet rumors on the forums that provide any legitimacy for this company.

    In cases like this the legitimacy of something is determined by your own research. Challenge all the points I made, like looking for the AW website then trying to figure out why a legitimate company doesn't have one. Why Sony, Sanyo, Panasonic have pages of technical documents on these products and AW doesn't have anything - yet they are magically safer - something billion dollar companies couldn't figure out, or didn't buy this technology from him. ect ect. Draw your own conclusions.

    Keep looking, and you will be able to determine for yourself what is a fairy tail and what is the true, just like you do when the phone rings telling you, you won a free cruise.
    Last edited by Evapers_Rob; 05-21-2014 at 01:43 PM.

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    Quite a poor retort, you can do better. Whomever hasn't blocked you yet may read it.
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    And this is why your a fool evapers_rob. AW never says they make the batteries. They are re-branded batteries and if I remember correctly they are Panasonic's. AW tests for QC and they make sure that the batteries are to the correct specs. Brands like eFest plaster their logo on any battery with no QC. You can see the tons of tests done on the web. Especially in the Flashlight forums. Efest are known to be very erratic when it comes to matching its specs. It is not uncommon to get eFests with several hundred less mah then stated. And one of the reasons that AW are considered one of the better batteries is because of the flashlight hobbyists. They were into them way before vapers. They are consistently up to spec and reliable. And batteries like Trustfire and the like are even worse than eFest. My preferences are AW and Sony's. The new LG's are getting some talk. I just grabbed one to check out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcameron View Post
    And this is why your a fool evapers_rob. AW never says they make the batteries. They are re-branded batteries and if I remember correctly they are Panasonic's. AW tests for QC and they make sure that the batteries are to the correct specs. Brands like eFest plaster their logo on any battery with no QC. You can see the tons of tests done on the web. Especially in the Flashlight forums. Efest are known to be very erratic when it comes to matching its specs. It is not uncommon to get eFests with several hundred less mah then stated. And one of the reasons that AW are considered one of the better batteries is because of the flashlight hobbyists. They were into them way before vapers. They are consistently up to spec and reliable. And batteries like Trustfire and the like are even worse than eFest. My preferences are AW and Sony's. The new LG's are getting some talk. I just grabbed one to check out.
    Great. Then make a fool out of me, and post actual AW specs for AW, not what someone typed into their website.

    Again there is no verifying AW claims, and what they say makes no sense. They are "rebranding" Panasonic yet Panasonic doesn't check the quality of their products and they need an Andrew Wang to test them - making the claim without any proof that he did. This is legit to you? Why wouldn't I just buy Panasonic from Panasonic??

    Personally I would take the "re-branding" of what is claimed to be a "clone" over what is claimed to be legitimate. I put the size and reputation of Heaven Gifts and their "clone" or is it a "rebrand" (gets confusing) above that of some Andrew Wang guy.

    What would happen if Andrew Wang did all he claims to do, but forgets to stick his sticker on it. Wouldn't that mean he's literally selling "clone" Panasonic himself? Or because it came off the same assembly line, that makes it legit sticker or not. But then what if the "clone" AW also came off the Panasonic assembly line? That would make it the same as an AW not not a clone? Right??? Oh the tangled web we weave.

    Edit: The claims are absurd. Just read above "no distributions channels in China" - yet that is where his batteries are made. By your own statement (and other on the net) he's grabbing batteries off the Panasonic assembly line (which we don't even know for a fact, so the "AW" batteries can be from anywhere). So guess how the "clones" would probably getting theirs? Same way he did. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. That's not a "clone" that someone doing the same darn thing.
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    ^another wall 'o text conjecture laden post absolving himself of ever having to back up his emotionally charged opinions I'm guessing?

    Attrition via people getting sick of reading paragraph after paragraph of drivel doesn't = proving one's point.
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