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  1. 03-25-2014 #1
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    Heads-up for Vendors and DIY'ers that are concerned about Diacetyl..

    A Flavor West Butterscotch e-juice was tested for Diacetyl and this was the results of the test, and I quote-

    "1797ug or micrograms of diacetyl where found in an eliquid that contained 10% butterscotch flavouring. This would work out to 1.797mg per ml. The concentrate they offer contains 17970ug or 17.97mg/ml diacetyl based on the amount in the eliquid tested converted to full concentration.”

    I’m no scientist, but that seems like a high level of Diacetyl, maybe other more knowledgeable members can chime in?

    What concerns me is that Flavor West claim to be Diacetyl free, and therefore their resellers are claiming it Diacetyl free, and on and on and on…. How are we ever to really know unless these flavours are tested? and the tests made available? obviously we can't trust everything we're told.

    Hate to be a whistleblower, but at the same time I feel a certain obligation to warn my buddies on Wackedout of what could be a very possible health risk.

    2,3 -butanedione is the proper name for Diacetyl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacetyl

    Flavor West was contacted by the company that paid to have this test done and they never replied back. Also the “tester” posted these results on a Facebook Group that was discussing Flavor West and he was removed from the group on the same day

    Last edited by vangrl; 04-04-2014 at 09:02 AM.
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    Formaldehyde content is higher than the diacetyl... that can't be good either.
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    Thanks for letting us know. I just started diy and got all FW. No buttery ones thankfully. What bothers me is that they didn't respond and the guy was kicked. Destroys trust in thier products a bit
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    This underlines the problem in that flavour producers like Flavor West and other ones we like don't really know what is really in their flavours. They buy from chemical producers, and lord knows what they put in them. On top of this, the diacetyl substitutes that are used to avoid it, acetoin and acetyl propionyl, used in buttery/custard/creamy flavours can again create diacetyl.

    The only real way to tell for any flavour is gas chromography / mass spectrum testing.

    And if you look at other flavours, you would probably be hard-pressed to find any health professional who says it is OK to vapourize and breath into your lungs all day.
    I am starting to think the best way to have peace of mind and vape for the reason we started - to not hurt our lungs and our health - it to go unflavoured juice. Or don't inhale. Right now it seems nobody really has a handle on the flavour thing.
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    Formaldehyde??? That chemical shouldn't be in any food or health product. From what I recall, they used to treat grains with it as a preservative but banned that practice long ago as it causes blindness. It's still used in clothing, for example, as for some bizarre reason that's been deemed acceptable. wtf!!

    Quote Originally Posted by fluffhead77 View Post
    Formaldehyde content is higher than the diacetyl... that can't be good either.
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    Raw data is of questionable use without knowing if there is a safe limit and what that limit is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djtabish View Post
    Formaldehyde??? That chemical shouldn't be in any food or health product. From what I recall, they used to treat grains with it as a preservative but banned that practice long ago as it causes blindness. It's still used in clothing, for example, as for some bizarre reason that's been deemed acceptable. wtf!!
    Formaldehyde is everywhere, and is naturally occurring. We need to know baseline amounts for what is harmful.
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    Human Breath has formaldehyde in it.

    Yes, in higher concentrations it is very harmful to you, but the body produces it all by itself.

    http://www.americanchemistry.com/Pro...Assessment.pdf
    Because I can, that's why...
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    For exposure levels, see Table 3. Effects of formaldehyde in humans after short-term exposure on page 13 at:

    http://www.euro.who.int/__data/asset...rmaldehyde.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by djtabish View Post
    For exposure levels, see Table 3. Effects of formaldehyde in humans after short-term exposure on page 13 at:

    http://www.euro.who.int/__data/asset...rmaldehyde.pdf
    Good find! Now we would like to know the concentration in vapour produced by the amount cited in post 1.
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